Current

Thursday, November 23, 2006

Greg Clark MP: Polly's new lover

posted by Devil's Kitchen at 11/23/2006 12:06:00 AM

It might surprise my readers to know that your humble Devil is actually quite a patient man; he is willing to give many people the benefit of the doubt and often holds back. So, I am glad that I have had a little time to sit back and reflect on Greg Clark's comments; perhaps he is right, perhaps the Tories can learn something from Polly. Perhaps she is not the demon that she is sometimes painted as (by me, amongst others) and perhaps Greg is right that the Tories should heed her prescriptions for ending poverty.

No, fuck it; the man's a cunt of the very first water and Polly is a useless, mendacious piece of shit with all of the logical and literary skill of a half-peeled banana.

Let me just say that it beggars belief that anyone would ever use Polly Toynbee as a blueprint for anything. I would almost rather suck the fluids from her corpse in an orgy of munging—this situation would, at least, have the distinct advantage that she would actually be dead—than distill any of her half-baked ideas and state-obsessed rantings.

It is not so much that her ideas are utterly useless (which they are) or that they have been proven to be utterly ineffective—nay, positively counterproductive—(which they have); it is that her articles are so incoherent. As a longtime student of and... er... appreciator of her articles, I have constantly highlighted the fact that Polly Toynbee contradicts herself at least once in every article that she writes; she doesn't even simply contradict her established values: no, she contradicts a theory that she has propounded only a few paragraphs before.

This—combined with her wilful manipulation of figures and selective quoting—has led me to ask, constantly, is she a mendacious liar or a highly-retarded idiot? Or, of course, both (needless to say, that's the answer that I'd give).

Polly Toynbee is a statist; worse, she is someone who, ultimately, does not believe in choice, as Timmy points out.
This is, remember, the right wing party here, suggesting that we should snuggle up to the Great Statist. The one who, yesterday, as you might recall, actually asked, in all seriousness, whether government policy should include this:
Does that include the right to make the wrong choice?

It's extraordinarily difficult to think of any interpretation of the words either freedom or liberty that do not include such a choice. In fact, it's very difficult to think of a meaning of the word 'choice' that doesn't include that possibility.

Her comment would suggest that Toynbee is not only a statist: she is an advocate for a dictatorship, an advocate for the total control of people's lives. It is not an exaggeration to say that she is as bad, ideologically, as Stalin.

Thus, it beggars belief that anyone—and I mean anyone—would ever take any of Toynbee's writings as a blueprint for anything; that a Conservative MP should do so shows just how deeply into the mire of mendacity and mediocrity the Tories have sunk. In short, the Tories seem to have mistaken the concept of appealing to the "common ground" as meaning that they should abandon all of the principles and policies that made them Conservatives.

It is not to say that those of us of a libertarian bent do not admit that peope live in poverty, or that we are unaware of what it is to be poor. Pace Councillor Terry, I would say that a good number of the most rabid libertarians currently blogging are either relatively poor now or have been in the past. It is simply that we believe that the state is not the best mechanism for pulling people out of poverty. Long-time readers might remember Chris Dillow's post on marginal tax rates, his data based on a report from the Department of Work and Pensions [PDF].
Here’s a question: Take a married couple with two children under 11 and pre-tax earnings of £200 a week. If they get a better job, raising their earnings to £300 a week, by how much does their net income rise?
£60? £50? £40?
Nope. £8.52.
Yes. £8.52. That’s a marginal deduction rate of 91.5 per cent.

Yes, it is. And it is this kind of benefit trap that is so destructive, both to those actually trapped and to our economy at large. In fact, it is the pursuit of policies of this sort that have seen relative poverty rise in this country since NuLabour took over. As Timmy says,
Instead of simply adding to the constipation of the current system ... why isn't someone actually applying brain power to the problem and advocating a real change? A Citizen's Basic Income... along with the firing of a million or two bureaucrats and the dismantling of the current welfare state?

Well, they are. All of us libertarians out here on the blogosphere are applying our brain power to a solution. Both those with training and those without are constantly proposing solutions which would almost certainly work far better than anything that is currently being mooted. Unfortunately, when those in power look at our writings, all they see are "shrill discourse" of "incommensurate demands". Your humble Devil accepts that he must take some of the blame for this perception of bloggers, but it seems an unfair assessment when there are so many "sensible" writers out here in the 'sphere.

Leaving all of that aside, it seems that we have now reached a point at which we libertarians no longer have an options amongst the three main parties. All three claim to be capturing the "middle ground" of the political spectrum; their thirst for power has rendered dispensible all of their principles. The saddest thing about Greg Clark's comments—apart from the fact that, whilst being a Shadow Minister, he appears to have a rather more tenuous grasp of basic economics than even I—is that he has finally put the nail in the coffin of the Conservative Party as a political force that believes in personal choice.

This is, of course, no surprise to your humble Devil; I have been ranting about the homogenous nature of the Big Three for some time. Clark's ludicrous, ill-informed outburst merely confirms what I have been saying for months; what has, however, given me hope, is the number of hitherto dedicated—and now incredibly dismayed—Tories who have emailed me, or commented, expressing interest in UKIP. It really is time to build a new conservative movement, the underpinnings of which are entirely libertarian.

I do apologise for the lack of swearing in this post; it seemed appropriate to try—given the small discussion on 18DS on Monday—a slightly more measured tone. However, I really do recommend that you read some of the other bloggers' reactions—Mr Eugenides, Reactionary Snob, Strange Stuff, Guido, The Nameless Tory, Chris Dillow—as they made me laugh like a maniac and, alas, how could I better their contributions without stealing their thunder? Although, tomorrow, I may well have a really up close and deeply personal look at Greg Clark's justification on ConservativeHome.

And, of course, Polly has responded and her superciliousness is positively dripping off my screen; I haven't read beyond the first paragraph yet though. Why? Because I am going to return to my usual style tomorrow as I rip her a new arsehole, all the better for munging her with...

UPDATE: Tory In The Wilderness (not 'arf!) makes some very good points.
Of course what’s most interesting about relative poverty is that it never goes away, it is after all relative to the prevailing living standards etc in the country at any given time. So if the possession of a blackberry, laptop and golden monkey were to become a standard feature of middle class life, then all those without said items would be, you guessed it, impoverished. Woe is me, I have no golden monkey!

Go and read the whole thing...

posted by Devil's Kitchen at 11/23/2006 12:06:00 AM


10 Blogger Comments:

Blogger Unity said...

There are times when it's gratifying to be right, as I noted over at Fisking Central yesterday afternoon...

"Mr E is feeling a bit peaky at the moment and DK's off job hunting.

Both have noticed, however, and will surely be ripping Greg Clark a new arsehole in due course."

11/23/2006 02:20:00 AM  
Blogger Charles Martel said...

however you are very polically aware - the overwhelming bulk of people in our land are not.
its a move to the centre ground - purely for political reasons. After all , Thatcher never mentioned her right wing agenda when she got elected in 79, did she?

and the thing is - its actually worked - the MSM , or rather the BBC , were all confused today - "the tories ACTUALLY interested in the poor ... huh???"


much better to keep those fuckers confused than to be banging on about your "crazy" libertarian taxation policy.

11/23/2006 02:52:00 AM  
Blogger LFB_UK *The Legend* said...

methinks you were tired, but very well put, I await the rage tomorrow lol

11/23/2006 03:00:00 AM  
Blogger Devil's Kitchen said...

You are correct, I am quite tired; the short London trip ended up being rather energetic and frenetic in the end...

DK

11/23/2006 03:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I realised Cameron was bad news when I first heard of him long before the general election. The beeb said he had made a speech criticsing Thatcher so i rang his secretary who denied it and sent me a copy of his speech which was a load of guff (but heh, what do you expect with ppe and a background in pr). I did not like him then; i voted against him in the leadership election and just about every time he opens his over-privileged mouth I despair.

I am not sure I will join UKIP; I am tempted instead to stand as a REAL Tory against the A list candidate.

11/23/2006 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Tim Almond said...

I could just about swallow policies until this.

I could accept the "keep the NHS" thing. That the general public still mostly back the useless organisation. That maybe what they would have done is to keep it as an "NHS" but privatise the functions and have it run as a voucher system.

It's now obvious that this isn't it at all. Cameron and his merry men aren't free marketeers. They're not the sons of Thatcher or Major (who for all his faults had experience of bettering oneself).

They're patrician conservatives with the same class views as most of the Labour party - that people are either "rich" or "poor".

These people will do more to re-establish class divides and keep people in their place. I hope that the aspirational working man realises this.

11/23/2006 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Tim Almond said...

charles martel,

I read the 1979 Conservative Manifesto yesterday, and most of the people on the right who are attacking Cameron would have few problems with it. Law and Order, market liberalisation, reduction in trade tariffs. I wouldn't agree with "Reform the CAP", but they were naive enough to think that could be done.

Yet, by the definition that the BBC put as the "centre ground", it wouldn't meet the test.

Compare it to the Labour one, and they don't share much common ground. Yet, the Labour party's policies weren't extreme. They were where orthodox politics had been since the war.

Some conservatives are saying this, because they like to be able to paint Cameron as being nothing different from Thatcher. That he's not being radical, but nor was she.

Read the manifestos.

11/23/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Trixy said...

The choice of two socialist parties...what a delightful treat!

Are 'Dave' and Clark to be joining Polly in some Gordon Loving? Cameron spread on the floor of the Treasury, pinned down by Polly, as Gordon pumps away?

11/23/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Chem ed said...

Boris has a go at triangulation; having taken the Dear Leader's shilling he'd not be wanting to ruin it all. She's nannying, statist and paranoid, but a stinking hypocrite, so that's all right then. Now if he'd just offered her sushi in the last sentence I could just about have stood it.

Is this the new era of do as i do not as i say?. Perhaps - this is a cunning policy by the far right.. Make 3 identical statist parties who all loath each other to split the morons' vote - then come through with a brand new, Liberalist party. Or not.

11/23/2006 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger Larry Teabag said...

This post reminds me of a story I wrote.

11/23/2006 11:16:00 PM  

Post a Comment

Links to this post:

Create a Link

<< Home

Testimonials

  • "The best British political/libertarian blog on the web. Consistently excellent but not for the squeamish."—Christopher Snowdon
  • "The Devil's Kitchen exposes hypocrisy everywhere, no holds barred."—Wrinkled Weasel
  • "Sometimes too much, sometimes wrong, sometimes just too much but always worth a read. Not so much a blog as a force of nature."—The Nameless Libertarian
  • "The Devil's Kitchen—a terrifying blog that covers an astonishing range of subjects with an informed passion and a rage against the machine that leaves me in awe..."—Polaris
  • "He rants like no one else in the blogosphere. But it's ranting in an eloquent, if sweary, kind of way. Eton taught him a lot."—Iain Dale
  • "But for all that, he is a brilliant writer—incisive, fisker- extraordinaire and with an over developed sense of humour... And he can back up his sometimes extraordinary views with some good old fashioned intellectual rigour... I'm promoting him on my blogroll to a daily read."—Iain Dale
  • "... an intelligent guy and a brilliant writer..."—A Very British Dude
  • "... the glorious Devil's Kitchen blog—it's not for the squeamish or easily offended..."—Samizdata
  • "... a very, smart article... takes a pretty firm libertarian line on the matter."—Samizdata
  • "By the way, DK seems to be on fucking good form at the moment."—Brian Mickelthwait
  • "Perhaps the best paragraph ever written in the history of human creation. It's our Devil on fine form."—Vindico
  • "Devil's Kitchen is the big name on the free-market libertarian strand of the British blogosphere... Profane rants are the immediate stand-out feature of DK's blog, but the ranting is backed up by some formidable argument on a wide range of issues particularly relating to British and European parliamentary politics, economics, and civil liberties."—Question That
  • "... an excellent, intelligent UK political blog which includes a great deal of swearing."—Dr Aubrey Blumsohn
  • "I like the Devil's Kitchen. I think it's one of the best written and funniest blogs in the business."—Conservative Party Reptile
  • "The. Top. UK. Blogger."—My Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
  • "For sheer intelligence, erudition and fun, Iain Dale's Diary, Cranmer and Devil's Kitchen are so far ahead of the rest I don't see how they can figure in a top ten. They are the Beatles, Stones and Who of the blog world; the Astair, Bogart and Marlon Brando of the blog world; the Gerswin, Porter and Novello of the blog world; the Dot Cotton, Pat Butcher, Bette Lynch of the blog world..."—Wrinkled Weasel
  • "It's the blogging equivalent of someone eating Ostrich Vindaloo, washed down by ten bottles of Jamaican hot pepper sauce and then proceeding to breathe very close to your face while talking about how lovely our politicians are... But there's much more to his writing than four letter words."—Tom Tyler
  • "God bless the Devil's Kitchen... Colourful as his invective is, I cannot fault his accuracy."—Tom Paine
  • "The Devil's Kitchen is a life-affirming, life-enhancing blog ... This particular post will also lead you to some of the best soldiers in the army of swearbloggers of which he is Field Marshal."—The Last Ditch
  • "... underneath all the ranting and swearing [DK]'s a very intelligent and thoughtful writer whom many people ... take seriously, despite disagreeing with much of what he says."—Not Saussure
  • "... the most foul-mouthed of bloggers, Devils Kitchen, was always likely to provoke (sometimes disgust, but more often admiration)."—The Times Online
  • "The always entertaining Mr Devil's Kitchen..."—The Times's Comment Central
  • "Frankly, this is ranting of the very highest calibre."—The Nameless Libertarian
  • "I don't mean it literally, or even metaphorically. I just find that his atheism aside, I agree with everything the Devil (of Kitchen fame...) says. I particularly enjoy his well crafted and sharp swearing, especially when addressed at self righteous lefties..."—The Tin Drummer
  • "Spot on accurate and delightful in its simplicity, Devil's Kitchen is one of the reasons that we're not ready to write off EUroweenie-land just yet. At least not until we get done evacuating the ones with brains."—Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler
  • "This hugely entertaining, articulate, witty Scottish commentator is also one of the most foul-mouthed bloggers around. Gird up your loins and have a look. Essential reading."—Doctor Crippen
  • "The Devil's Kitchen is one of the foremost blogs in the UK. The DK is bawdy, foul-mouthed, tasteless, vulgar, offensive and frequently goes beyond all boundaries of taste and decency. So why on earth does Dr Crippen read the DK? Because he reduces me to a state of quivering, helpless laughter."—Doctor Crippen's Grand Rounds
  • "DK is a take-no-prisoners sort of libertarian. His blog is renowned for its propensity for foul-mouthed invective, which can be both amusing and tiresome by turns. Nevertheless, he is usually lucid, often scintillating and sometimes illuminating."—Dr Syn
  • "If you enjoy a superior anti-Left rant, albeit one with a heavy dash of cursing, you could do worse than visit the Devil's Kitchen. The Devil is an astute observer of the evils of NuLabour, that's for sure. I for one stand converted to the Devil and all his works."—Istanbul Tory
  • "... a sick individual."—Peter Briffa
  • "This fellow is sharp as a tack, funny as hell, and—when something pisses him off—meaner than a badger with a case of the bullhead clap."—Green Hell
  • "Foul-mouthed eloquence of the highest standard. In bad taste, offensive, immoderate and slanderous. F***ing brilliant!—Guest, No2ID Forum
  • "a powerfully written right-of-center blog..."—Mangan's Miscellany
  • "I tend to enjoy Devil's Kitchen not only because I disagree with him quite a lot of the time but because I actually have to use my brain to articulate why."—Rhetorically Speaking
  • "This blog is currently slamming. Politics certainly ain't all my own. But style and prose is tight, fierce, provocative. And funny. OK, I am a child—swear words still crack a laugh."—Qwan
  • "hedonistic, abrasive but usually good-natured..."—The G-Gnome
  • "10,000 words per hour blogging output... prolific or obsessive compulsive I have yet to decide..."—Europhobia
  • "a more favoured blog from the sensible Right..."—Great Britain...
  • "Devils Kitchen, a right thinking man indeed..."—EU Serf
  • "an excellent blog..."—Rottweiler Puppy
  • "Anyone can cuss. But to curse in an imaginative fashion takes work."—Liftport Staff Blog
  • "The Devil's Kitchen: really very funny political blog."—Ink & Incapability
  • "I've been laffing fit to burst at the unashamed sweariness of the Devil's Kitchen ~ certainly my favourite place recently."—SoupDragon
  • "You can't beat the writing and general I-may-not-know-about-being-polite-but-I-know-what-I-like attitude."—SoupDragon
  • "Best. Fisking. Ever. I'm still laughing."—LC Wes, Imperial Mohel
  • "Art."—Bob
  • "It made me laugh out loud, and laugh so hard—and I don't even get all the references... I hope his politics don't offend you, but he is very funny."—Furious, WoT Forum
  • "DK himself is unashamedly right-wing, vitriolic and foul mouthed, liberally scattering his posts with four-letter-words... Not to be read if you're easily offended, but highly entertaining and very much tongue in cheek..."—Everything Is Electric
  • "This blog is absolutely wasted here and should be on the front page of one of the broadsheets..."—Commenter at The Kitchen
  • "[This Labour government] is the most mendacious, dishonest, endemically corrupt, power-hungry, incompetent, illiberal fucking shower of shits that has ruled this country..."—DK

Blogroll

Campaign Links

All: Daily Reads (in no particular order)

Politics (in no particular order)

Climate Change (in no particular order)

General & Humour (in no particular order)

Mac,Design Tech & IT (in no particular order)